What's the point of motor pacing?
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What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby trailgumby » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:46 pm
Apart from feeding the roadie a steady flow of carbon monoxide, I really struggled to see whst they were trying to achieve unless he was chasing a Strava KOM. Surely if he was trying to keep his cadence up in a specific range it would be just as effective to select a shorter gear?
It just struck me as a really pointless thing to do. Makes much more sense to use a power meter if you want to elimimate the effect of wind on your traini.ng results ... cheaper too.
Or do I have this all wrong?
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:34 pm
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby foo on patrol » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:41 pm
Plus it ain't gonna run out of puff, unless it runs out of fuel.
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:56 pm
It enables some specific drills to be performed, such sustaining high pace in cross winds, practicing sprints from high speeds, and controlled intervals at higher speeds. It also simulates the greater inertial loads and stochastic nature of power demand experienced when racing. It can also be a lot of fun and motivating, as well as enable a rider to find their limits while still having support with them in case they crack badly. The moto never gets tired. It's not for everyone of course and needs to be done well with an experienced moto pilot.
In essence, you can simulate/develop the metabolic demands just fine on your own, but the variability of neuromuscular demands is harder to replicate. Mototpacing (done well/properly) enables you to do both.
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:37 pm
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby trailgumby » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:32 pm
More of a road-racing specific thing, I gather. The guy had a very smooth action with virtually no upper body english, but given the motor pacing wasn't going as fast as I was expecting.
That reverse direction climb up from Akuna Bay is a good 'un.
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Derny Driver » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:33 pm
Thats very cool and very old skool!!Daccordi Rider wrote: Our team has been doing some TTT training pacing behind a tandem......
Major Taylor used to do that.
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:10 pm
Our team has got involved with Paracycling SA and take vision impaired riders out each week and incorporate the tandems into our standard team run. Good training and very rewarding to see how much fun the VI's have with us.
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Postby trailgumby » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:41 pm
More than tandems... quads and up!Derny Driver wrote:Thats very cool and very old skool!!Daccordi Rider wrote: Our team has been doing some TTT training pacing behind a tandem......
Major Taylor used to do that.
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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:31 pm
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:47 am
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby foo on patrol » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:31 am
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:44 am
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:48 am
Umm, actually, after Oppy won the Bol d'Or his manager urged/forced him to go for the 1000K record, which he did. Basically he told Oppy that if he ever wanted to do the 1000K record in the future, he would have to go through all of that again!Daccordi Rider wrote:Thanks Foo, holy smokes that sounds hard! 950k in a velodrome....
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Derny Driver » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:51 am
Im interested that Malvern Star claim the Paris Six Day here.
The team was Roger Arnold (my uncle), Sid Patterson and Russ Mockridge.
My uncle rode for MS on the road in Australia in 1954 but to my knowledge never owned a MS track bike. When he returned to Europe he would have been on his favourite Raleigh track bike or a Rudge who was his sponsor in 1955.
Mocka of course was a loyal Healing man all his life.
That leaves Patto who was famously Malvern Star but I dont know that he rode Malvern Stars in Europe. His European sponsor was Sun Cycles / Rudge (british). I very much doubt a MS track bike featured in the Paris 6.
Next time I ring my uncle I will ask him if he remembers what bikes Patto used in Europe. My uncle teamed with Patto for many races from 1955 to 1960 so he would know.
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:25 pm
Well it was only another 100 laps.bigfriendlyvegan wrote:Umm, actually, after Oppy won the Bol d'Or his manager urged/forced him to go for the 1000K record, which he did. Basically he told Oppy that if he ever wanted to do the 1000K record in the future, he would have to go through all of that again!Daccordi Rider wrote:Thanks Foo, holy smokes that sounds hard! 950k in a velodrome....
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby foo on patrol » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:02 pm
That's interesting Derny and would be interested in what you find out.Derny Driver wrote:Im interested that Malvern Star claim the Paris Six Day here.
The team was Roger Arnold (my uncle), Sid Patterson and Russ Mockridge.
My uncle rode for MS on the road in Australia in 1954 but to my knowledge never owned a MS track bike. When he returned to Europe he would have been on his favourite Raleigh track bike or a Rudge who was his sponsor in 1955.
Mocka of course was a loyal Healing man all his life.
That leaves Patto who was famously Malvern Star but I dont know that he rode Malvern Stars in Europe. His European sponsor was Sun Cycles / Rudge (british). I very much doubt a MS track bike featured in the Paris 6.
Next time I ring my uncle I will ask him if he remembers what bikes Patto used in Europe. My uncle teamed with Patto for many races from 1955 to 1960 so he would know.
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Sybrand » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:17 pm
Can anyone tell me if it is legal to motor pace behind a car in WA?
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Re: What's the point of motor pacing?
Postby Derny Driver » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:47 pm
No. It would be classified as tailgating.Sybrand wrote:Hi,
Can anyone tell me if it is legal to motor pace behind a car in WA?
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Pacing behind a motorbike is also tailgating.
Australian Road Rule 255 says:
255 Riding too close to the rear of a motor vehicle
The rider of a bicycle must not ride within 2 metres of the rear of a moving motor vehicle continuously for more than 200 metres.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
HOWEVER
Rule 255 thus allows for motorpacing if it is not continuous. So if you tailgate the vehicle or motorbike for 199 metres and then drop back 3 metres for a while, that is legal.
I sometimes pace my rider for 199 metres and then swap positions so that the motorbike is behind him for another 200 metres. So he is doing an effort on his own for 30 seconds, and then getting 30 seconds rest behind the moto.
Of course I do continuous motorpacing on quiet country roads and have never been pulled over or questioned about it. If I am ever pulled over by the police, I will tell them I was doing the above intervals. If I was fined I would go to court and tell the magistrate the rider was behind me for less than 200 metres at a time. It would be up to the Police to provide video proof that it was continuous.
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